Cannot open touchdesigner experimental 2025.30280 rtx 5090 laptop gpu


This is unlikely related to the GPU. Its something to do with the application files themselves. We’ve had one other report of this occurring so far. My first guess is that the OS has quarantined one of the binaries that we require to run, so it’s failing to start due to that.
Can you check your Windows Defender to see if it’s quarantined any files?

I dont see any quarntined files. Also just confirming the official release opens fine, just experimental that is giving the error

Same problem here. I have a tower with a 3090 GPU though. Tried everything, And I am not running Defender. Could Smart App control be the culprit?

@invisionixc @busyboyllc Do you have all Windows updates applied?

yes, updated to the newest version

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Hey, can you try download WinDbg from here:

Under File choose ‘Launch Executable’, go to C:/Program Files/Derivative/TouchDesigner/bin (or similar if you installed it elsewhere), and launch. If you stops running with an ‘exeception’, try hitting the ‘Go’ button to keep going.
Once you’ve gotten as far as you can, paste/attach the results from the window here. Thanks for the report!

************* Preparing the environment for Debugger Extensions Gallery repositories **************
ExtensionRepository : Implicit
UseExperimentalFeatureForNugetShare : true
AllowNugetExeUpdate : true
NonInteractiveNuget : true
AllowNugetMSCredentialProviderInstall : true
AllowParallelInitializationOfLocalRepositories : true
EnableRedirectToChakraJsProvider : false

– Configuring repositories
----> Repository : LocalInstalled, Enabled: true
----> Repository : UserExtensions, Enabled: true

Preparing the environment for Debugger Extensions Gallery repositories completed, duration 0.016 seconds

************* Waiting for Debugger Extensions Gallery to Initialize **************

Waiting for Debugger Extensions Gallery to Initialize completed, duration 0.015 seconds
----> Repository : UserExtensions, Enabled: true, Packages count: 0
----> Repository : LocalInstalled, Enabled: true, Packages count: 45

Microsoft (R) Windows Debugger Version 10.0.27920.1001 AMD64
Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

CommandLine: C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\TouchDesigner.exe

************* Path validation summary **************
Response Time (ms) Location
Deferred srv*
Symbol search path is: srv*
Executable search path is:

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| This target supports Hardware-enforced Stack Protection. A HW based |
| “Shadow Stack” may be available to assist in debugging and analysis. |
| See aka.ms/userhsp for more info. |
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| dps @ssp |
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ModLoad: 00007ff93aa50000 00007ff93aa5c000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\usd_cameraUtil.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff935220000 00007ff93522f000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\usd_hf.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff8191a0000 00007ff8191d0000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\usd_ndr.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff8144b0000 00007ff81453c000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\PocoXML.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff814a80000 00007ff814ac2000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\PocoJSON.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff8018f0000 00007ff80196b000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\libmpg123-0.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff8e40f0000 00007ff8e4110000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\GCBase_MD_VC141_v3_4.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff801770000 00007ff801804000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\FirmwareUpdate_MD_VC141_v3_4.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff800000000 00007ff80010a000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\GenApi_MD_VC141_v3_4.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff933610000 00007ff93361f000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\MathParser_MD_VC140_v3_0.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff8e38e0000 00007ff8e38f3000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\Log_MD_VC140_v3_0.dll
ModLoad: 00007fffff6e0000 00007fffff79a000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\XmlParser_MD_VC140_v3_0.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff819170000 00007ff819192000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\NodeMapData_MD_VC140_v3_0.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff97d260000 00007ff97d2a9000 C:\windows\SYSTEM32\SSPICLI.DLL
ModLoad: 00007ff976c20000 00007ff97702f000 C:\windows\SYSTEM32\MFCORE.DLL
ModLoad: 00007ff9329e0000 00007ff9329eb000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\Log_MD_VC141_v3_4.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff92faa0000 00007ff92faaf000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\MathParser_MD_VC141_v3_4.dll
ModLoad: 000001a514ec0000 000001a514ecb000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\Log_MD_VC141_v3_4.dll
ModLoad: 00007fffdab70000 00007fffdac29000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\XmlParser_MD_VC141_v3_4.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff8c71d0000 00007ff8c71f0000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\NodeMapData_MD_VC141_v3_4.dll
ModLoad: 000001a516450000 000001a517d65000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\icudt59.dll
ModLoad: 000001a514f00000 000001a514f4f000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\FTD2XX.dll
ModLoad: 000001a514f50000 000001a5150e9000 C:\Program Files\Derivative\TouchDesigner.2025.30570\bin\PvAPI.dll
ModLoad: 000001a515100000 000001a515103000 C:\windows\SYSTEM32\LZ32.dll
ModLoad: 00007ff97c840000 00007ff97c84d000 C:\windows\SYSTEM32\NETUTILS.DLL
(7620.95c): Break instruction exception - code 80000003 (first chance)
ntdll!LdrpDoDebuggerBreak+0x35:
00007ff981144199 cc int 3 0:000> g ModLoad: 00007ff97c2e0000 00007ff97c2ec000 C:\windows\SYSTEM32\FLTLIB.DLL (7620.95c): Access violation - code c0000005 (first chance) First chance exceptions are reported before any exception handling. This exception may be expected and handled. InProcessClient64+0x3dca4: 00007ff97c33dca4 458b1cbe mov r11d,dword ptr [r14+rdi4] ds:000001a517d65000=???????? 0:000> g (7620.95c): Access violation - code c0000005 (first chance) First chance exceptions are reported before any exception handling. This exception may be expected and handled. ntdll!RtlUnicodeStringToAnsiString+0x159: 00007ff9810896c9 410fb70451 movzx eax,word ptr [r9+rdx2] ds:00000000`00000000=???