TDAbleton - TouchDesigner Ableton Connection

Just uploaded 1.12.0

  • Fixes problems with unfound Max devices
  • Fixes problems with clip names not being updated
  • Fixes error messages when renaming cuepoints
  • Features for playing clips and scenes in abletonSong and abletonTrack
  • Add clip status callbacks to abletonTrack
  • Add play and stop callbacks for abletonSong
  • Better hiding of CHOP channels on macro and level devices

BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY CHANGES:

  • abletonChainOrTrack component is now called “abletonChain”. To properly update
  • abletonChainOrTrack components from old versions, change their clone sources accordingly before update.
  • abletonChainParameter has been removed in favor of putting all chain features into abletonParameter. To properly update abletonChainParameter components from old versions, change their clone sources accordingly before update.
    For packaging reasons, the Rack and AudioAnalyzer devices have been moved into TouchDesigner/TDA Project. Also, the TDA_Rack_OSC and TDA_Rack_MIDI_OSC devices have been moved into the subfolders of that project. If Live has trouble finding devices in your set from a previous version, use the ones found in TDA_Project.

Using the demo ableton live project (or a new one with with locators/cuepoints created) and using a brand new TDAbleton, the “last_cuepoint_passed” parameter doesn’t update until you enable “Include Time Data”, whereas when i use the demo .toe you provided, the cuepoint channel updates fine even without the “Include Time Data” parameter enabled.

The cuepoints do depend on “Include Time Data”. You’re either looking in the wrong place or magic is afoot!

Hi!

I have some errors appears, when selecting track in abletonTrack1 and abletonChain1 components. Tried to use demo projects, but the same problems.

TD 2018.25000
TDAbleton 1.12.0
Ableton 9.7.1

thx for feedback.
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Uploaded 1.13.0 to top of thread

@ m1gUn0v: please try this one

1.14.0 posted. Sorry for the rapid fire updates! Two issues in one day.

Some important changes that could affect older projects:

  • TDAbleton now requires a TDA Master component on the master track of your Live set. Added a dialog that automatically creates one if it’s missing.
  • Changed default OSC ports to avoid Resolume (and other programs’) defaults. 8887 is now the default TD port. 8001 is now the default Ableton port. If you have trouble connecting with older TDAbleton projects, double-check that your tdAbleton master component in TD and your TDA Master device in Live have matching port settings.

tnx!

1.14.0 works fine. \m/

Hi Ivan,

I think I found a bug in 1.14.0.

I have an Ableton session and some scenes have the same name, in this case ‘STOP’.
Now in the AbletonSongExt SongInfo[‘scenes’], there is only one scene with the name ‘STOP’ and because of this, the total number of scenes is lower then in my Ableton session.
This leads to an ‘list index out of range’ error in line 138 of the AbletonSongExt, when I fire scenes above a certain number (which makes sense).

So, it looks like there is a problem with duplicate names in Ableton scenes, that needs to be handled.

Thank you for this great component!

Cheers, David

I just encountered this as well, not sure if its a Max4Live API/Ableton problem though.

Also just wanted to mention, the cuepoint/locator system in Arrangement view is so good for triggering things in TD, but the band i made the lighting system for uses Session view, so currently I think the best way to get the triggers synced up in TD is to count the bars in Ableton like a dweeb and just have TD wait for that specific bar/beat count.

I’ve also done a little addition of my own to convert beats/sixteenths/time into extra channels for eighths and triplets and some other weirder rhythm stuff (3/4 over 4/4? i’m not really sure the correct musical theory terminology for what they do). It’d be cool to share some user-made extended features and hear how everyone uses TDAbleton.

Also, it would be nice, if the popup window, that opens, when the Ableton session is missing the TDA master plugin, would have a cancel button. It can popup, if you switch Ableton sessions, but you don’t necessarily want to create the TDA master plugin…

Hi
love this comp so much - building a big project at the moment - its got lots of track (190+) and a lot of midi going in both directions using tda midis - we started running into issues yesterday and are struggling to trace it - we have begun to not be able to connect

the problem disapears when we delete some tracks but we are finding it impossible to find a pattern - for a while we thought it was a drum rack - but could not reliably reproduce it - then deleting a random track fixed it once - but again we couldn;t trace it -
the closest we are getting to a error message is
‘NoneType’ object is not iterable -
i’ve attached a picture - project goes live next week so this is a bit stressful

need to roll updates to get everything up to latest but thought i’d post in case it raises any immediate thoughts

thanks all for any advice -

b

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Edit: Simple mistake, forgot to follow instructions and set the MIDI control interface.

I’m having some connection issues, I’m trying to connect to a fresh install of Ableton 10.0.3 and TouchDesigner 2018.23760 ( I also tried latest but rolled back for testing purposes) Windows 10. The TDableton components are on 1.10.0 in Touch and Ableton.
I can’t seem to get a connection going between the two. I have a similar setup running on another machine that’s using an Ableton Trial
I was thinking it could be a port issue and so I’ve been trying to trouble shoot. 1.10.0 uses port 8000. If I try to ping from TDAbleton op I get nothing back. IfI setup a UDPin in touch listening to port 8000 I can see the pings coming in and if I do a netstat I don’t see anything already using 8000
Also originally I was using TDAbleton 1.14 which is using 8001 so I’m feeling like it’s less of a port issue and maybe something else?

If anyone has any advise on trouble shooting this it would be great.

thanks

While the TDA Master component in your live set was optional in 23760, adding it sometimes sorts out connection issues. As such, new build 2018.25850 now requires it and auto-adds it if it’s missing.
I’d recommend updating to 2018.25850 if you can, there and other small updates wrt ports and in importantly the previous 2018.25000 build had a major TDAbleton update, lots of fixes, which is definitely worth running. Note, it is not backwards compatible because of the all the changes. Remember you need to replace the MIDIRemoteScripts folder contents and the main package component, so give yourself time, not right before a show :open_mouth:

Release Notes

so it seems like our issue (a couple of posts back up ) is one of size - once we get past a certain amount of tracks and data being passed from ableton to td it seems to break the OSC and touch receives an empty string in oscin_callbacksInfo - as soon as we delete a couple of tracks the connection happens again - its hard to tell because the data seems to be coming over chunked but it feels like the formatting of the data coming over is breaking when it gets above a certain amount - doing some debugging today in case its a hardware issue but failing that would there be a way to increase the size of transferable data?

running latest versions of everything -

thanks

ben

fixed our connection issues by building a filter into the TDA.py to only send info and data from tracks with a specific prefix in the track name - this streamlines everything massively reduces the amount of data being sent and its all working together again

b

Sorry for slow reply. For some reason I haven’t been getting notifications on this thread!

Looking into all issues posted since last update.

@benflock if you can share your set that breaks it would be a great help. Don’t need audio data. Send to ivan@derivative.ca

Uploaded 1.15.0 to top of thread

  • Fixed bug with duplicate scene names only showing one scene
  • Added Cancel button to TDA Master warning dialog

Backwards compatibility warning: SongInfo[‘scenes’] is now a list instead of a dictionary indexed by name.

@benflock: the issue you reported is larger and will probably have to wait until TD 40k is released. I haven’t been able to duplicate the problem, but I plan on building in a Track filtering mechanism like the one you hacked into TDA.py…

Thanks everyone for the feedback!

Hey Ivan

thanks - sorry for slow reply - show opens tomorrow so will have time to upload the set for you to replicate later in the week

b

Not sure if this is a legit error or just ableton stupidity,

but if there’s a scene without a name, you get the error:

line 18, in onTableChange SystemError: error return without exception set

also, are you able to connect to another computer on the network running ableton? I thought i tested it before and was able to, but using 1.15.0 gives the error that i can’t connect.

Important - TD build 26450 has an issue that breaks TDAbleton. Will be fixed soon!

Bunch of bug fixes released in 1.15.1 (at top of thread). Thanks to everyone that has reported issues.

  • Max issue - Macro numbers are no longer mixed up
  • Max issue - deleting or adding tracks no longer breaks connection with TDA devices
  • Max issue - TDA Rack devices have accurate help on “OUT” buttons
  • Adding cue points no longer causes textport error spam
  • Empty scene names no longer cause errors

I’ve heard people are having some trouble connecting, possibly due to new default of OSC port 8001 instead of 8000. Make sure your tdAbleton component and TDA_Master Live device have matching settings. If at first you don’t connect, try a couple different ports. If you still have problems, do post here!